Traveller-digest    Thursday, September 2 1999    Volume 1999 : Number 1048



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The following topics are covered in this digest:

Re: meaning of GT (was "Cannons other than...)
Re: Flavour... 
Re: streamlining
Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1047
Re: "Tender"/"Riders" combos as freighters
Re: "Tender"/"Riders" combos as freighters
Re: Testing the Waters
Re: meaning of GT (was "Cannons other than...)
Re: Testing the Waters 
Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1047 
Re: Cannons other than Meson
Re:  I'm back....
Re: Foundation of the Traveller News Service
Re: streamlining
Re: Foundation of the Traveller News Service
Re: Honor Harrington books 
Re: tank:antitank arms race
Re: GT Armor - Cheaper Merchants, Faster Combat Craft
Re: Lost Keith Supplements "refund"
Re: Some From The Vaults 
OT... re: tank:antitank arms race
Re: Foundation of the Traveller News Service
Re: GT Armor - Cheaper Merchants, Faster Combat Craft
New Picture
Re: Inter species relationships (was: GT Armor - Cheaper Merchants, Faster Combat Craft)
Re: New Picture

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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:15:12 -0500
From: "John Majer" <jsmage@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: meaning of GT (was "Cannons other than...)

> I very occasionally design HG2 ships, but spend a lot more time on world
> design and stuff like that.  In the Real World(tm), I'm more interested in
> history than guns, ships or planes, so I guess I'm consistent.
>
> > There's also something there about having affilations with the
> > armed forces, but I digress.
>
> Most of the old Traveller players I knew were just the standard
> role-playing crew - lots of students and people with 'white-collar' and
> professional jobs.  Most of them don't seem to play anything much these
> days, or else they've moved on to more general wargaming, rather than
> RPGing.

Maybe it's just a personal experience thing.  Every time I've been in a
gaming stores or at a cons and started talking with people about effective
uses of Black Globe sheilds as campaign threads and ended up hearing tales
of strange bars in distant lands where they were stationed, or the
disposition of Napolionic rations.  I don't have an explanation.
I do also know that my players (or former players I should say) were some of
the most character-oriented people I've ever gamed with (they're all
LARPers, what can you expect?).  A game session would be half an hour of
getting somewhere, and hour of plot, and four hours of interparty relations
along with (in character, mind you, which left it really odd) ethical
discourse about the moral, social and metaphysical implactions of their past
or intended actions.  They would still get giddy thinking about how many
rounds could be fired out of a gauss pistol.  Somebody played an explosives
expert just so he could get to use the one gaming rule that had a square
root in it.  At the same time these folks spent more time considering
philosophy than they ever did in real life, they also loved to run around
and blow stuff up.  And no, this was not how they normally gamed.  There's
something there, I just can't put my finger on it.

> > IMHO, It's the attention to detail, as opposed to accepting arbitrary
> > decsions about the way things work.
>
> Yeah, I like this aspect.  It's almost a scientific approach.  It's not
> quite, of course, since we're dealing with something which is imaginary to
> begin with.  It tends to appeal to my philosophical leanings, for what
> that's worth.

Brother, we speak the same language.  But I will argue that this is the
gearhead approach.  Other people see the tables and think, "how ever am I
supposed to run this?", I see it as a whole chunk of stuff I don't have to
deal with, if I don't want to 'cause I can always just toss some dice.  Or
that I know that the people up top have done their research and aren't just
making arbitrary, game-balance decsions, ergo we are duty-bound to wrestle
the details.

> Well, the Hero System (Champions, Justice Inc, Fantasy Hero, Space Hero,
> etc) is a generic system that was around before GURPS.  It hasn't been
> developed as much, but you can do silly things with it if you want.  There
> are other generic systems.

I said that I would make some outlandish generlizations.  And what with the
buy out of Hero by R Tas, and then the part-timing of R. Tas, we can't
expect much new.  (won't touch Amazing Engine with a ten foot pole) The
thing is, that campaign I mentioned was closer to serious than not.  GURPS
is a haven for the people with expansive ideas, real wild ideas, and that is
not terrilbly congruious with stogy Traveller folk who can talk about an
OTU, which, as you said, is the best of all.  So perhaps I'm argueing that
you'll never manage to coerce the GURPS rulebooks into the nuts and bolts
kind of thing that we all know and love.  But you could do something vastly
different, and I don't mean alowing FTL coms just because they're in a book,
or spening hours considering the socio-political effects of the new material
rules, but learning a new style of playing a very old game.
But then, I suppose, we wouldn't have anything to argue over.

> A bit of a ramble, but at least it's mostly about Traveller....

Hey, if this isn't the place for meaningless pontification, I don't know
where it should be.

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:42:32 +1000
From: "The Roc" <roc@kewl.com.au>
Subject: Re: Flavour... 

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: Keven R. Pittsinger <jamstar@accesstoledo.com>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Flavour... 


> > Mike, can I impose on you for a favour?
> 
> ACK!!!!!!!!!
> 
> That was *SUPPOSED* to be private to Mike Peters.
> 
> I rilly oughta start getting more sleep...
> 
> Keven
> 

Funny... that happened to me not so long ago...

- -- The Roc

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:43:34 +1000
From: "The Roc" <roc@kewl.com.au>
Subject: Re: streamlining

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Timothy.Collinson@solent.ac.uk>
To: <traveller@mpgn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 9:39 PM
Subject: re: streamlining


> 
> Leonard Erickson wrote:
> 
> 
> > Also, at 20 mph weather, such as storms, moves a *lot* faster than your
> > ship can dodge. Since weather is a chaotic system, the Imperium won't
> > be able to predict it any better than we can. So you could easily start
> > a descent (or a takeoff) and a couple of hours later find yourself in
> > the path of a squall line that was "supposed" to be nowhere near you.
> > Or trying to dodge a jetstream.
> 
> Anthony Jacson wrote:
> >We can predict weather an hour ahead plenty accurately.
> 
> 
> You can't have spent any time in England then!
> 

Or Melbourne, Australia :^)

- -- The Roc

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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:41:30 -0700
From: "Derek Stanley" <dstanley@direct.ca>
Subject: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1047

From: Traveller-digest <owner-traveller-digest@lists.imagiconline.com>

> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 22:46:48 -0500
> From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net>
> Subject: Re: Testing the Waters
>
> Derek Stanley wrote:
> >
> > I'm looking at opening up one or two NPC spots in my Confederation of
> > Nightrim TNE game.  This game is played via ICQ and runs live about once
> > every two or so weeks.
> >
> > A number of logs are available on the site for those who maybe
interested in
> > knowing what's happened and figuring out the flavor of the game.
> >
> > As I'm also sending this message to the TML I should warn you that it is
a
> > TNE game and Virus will be making a special guest appearance along with
> > Cher and Gillian Anderson.
>
> Virus, I can deal with.  Gillian Anderson, okay.  But _Cher_?!?  :-P

Hey Cher will be making a special guest appearance in the musical flash back
episode as Duilnor's mother Delilah.

I'm seeing lots of sparkles, lights and sequins.  Probably four or five
costume changes and at least three major set changes.

8^P  Right back at ya...

Derek Stanley
http://persweb.direct.ca/dstanley/Home.html

Say G'nite Hoss.
- -Ashtabula-

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:09:38 +1000
From: "The Roc" <roc@kewl.com.au>
Subject: Re: "Tender"/"Riders" combos as freighters

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <GypsyComet@aol.com>
To: <traveller@mpgn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: "Tender"/"Riders" combos as freighters



>
> It's a very old Judges Guild product, and it's called "Doom of the Singing
> Star." Very large, a bit silly, and a little risky to be calling a canon
> source, IMO.
>

Well, it's JG, and I thought JG was still canon... even if it was often
cheap and nasty.  I think they brought out the most comprehensive GM's
screen I had ever seen for any game, not flashy, but full of useful stuff.

- -- The Roc

PS:  DGP is "forbidden," but is it still not canon?

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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:26:06 -0700
From: "Legate Legion" <legate@futureone.com>
Subject: Re: "Tender"/"Riders" combos as freighters

From: The Roc <roc@kewl.com.au>
Subject: Re: "Tender"/"Riders" combos as freighters

>Well, it's JG, and I thought JG was still canon... even if it was often
>cheap and nasty.  I think they brought out the most comprehensive GM's
>screen I had ever seen for any game, not flashy, but full of useful stuff.


    Correct.  But, then again, I did work for JG.  *weg*

Legate Legion
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the glistening tear on the cheek of a golden child. But personally, I'd
mudwrestle my own mother for a ton of cash, an amusing clock, and a stack of
French porn." - Edmund Blackadder

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Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 22:50:07 -0700
From: "Benyamene' ZeAbe' Akella" <xrp@sierratel.com>
Subject: Re: Testing the Waters

>> As I'm also sending this message to the TML I should warn you that it is a
>> TNE game and Virus will be making a special guest appearance along with Cher
>> and Gillian Anderson.
>
> Virus, I can deal with.  Gillian Anderson, okay.  But _Cher_?!?  :-P

Hey, I /like/ Cher! Now Virus still bothers me...
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Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 22:57:27 -0700
From: "Benyamene' ZeAbe' Akella" <xrp@sierratel.com>
Subject: Re: meaning of GT (was "Cannons other than...)

> A game session would be half an hour of
> getting somewhere, and hour of plot, and four hours of interparty relations
> along with (in character, mind you, which left it really odd) ethical
> discourse about the moral, social and metaphysical implactions of their past
> or intended actions.

Gee, sounds like my old AD&D group, and they never were LARPers. I still
remember the player of the Dwarven Mage yelling (in Character) at the brash
fighter, saying "If you cut off the prisoners hands, I'll conjure up every
elemental in range to smash your little armored head in!", in the middle of
the supermarket parking lot. Conversation at Denny's always turned a head.
;)
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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 02:15:21 -0400
From: "Keven R. Pittsinger" <jamstar@accesstoledo.com>
Subject: Re: Testing the Waters 

> > As I'm also sending this message to the TML I should warn you that it is a
> > TNE game and Virus will be making a special guest appearance along with Cher
> > and Gillian Anderson.
> 
> Virus, I can deal with.  Gillian Anderson, okay.  But _Cher_?!?  :-P

*polishing the Winchester*...

Keven

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 02:16:53 -0400
From: "Keven R. Pittsinger" <jamstar@accesstoledo.com>
Subject: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1047 

> > > TNE game and Virus will be making a special guest appearance along with
> > > Cher and Gillian Anderson.
> >
> > Virus, I can deal with.  Gillian Anderson, okay.  But _Cher_?!?  :-P
> 
> Hey Cher will be making a special guest appearance in the musical flash back
> episode as Duilnor's mother Delilah.
> 
> I'm seeing lots of sparkles, lights and sequins.  Probably four or five
> costume changes and at least three major set changes.

You think 150 megaton blasts oughta do it?

Keven

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Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 22:57:11 -0700
From: "Glenn M. Goffin" <gmgoffin@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Cannons other than Meson

> From: "Alan Bradley" <alanb@elf.brisnet.org.au>
> Subject: Re: Cannons other than Meson

> Someone in an earlier digest mentioned that they thought that the GT
> setting lacked conflict.  I don't really agree with that.  There's no full
> scale war, but there's lots of nasty little things happening with the

I'm with Alan.  It's the job of the storyteller -- that is, the referee
- -- to develop conflict.  You can use your imagination to develop
conflict, even if the story's setting is Paradise.

- --Glenn

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Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 23:08:24 -0700
From: "Glenn M. Goffin" <gmgoffin@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re:  I'm back....

> From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@mindspring.com>

> ObTrav: The party discovers that a crucial component of their ships was
> made by a long-defunct manufacturer, and nobody provides support for this
> model.  They learn this, of course, *after* it fails.

This probably happens a lot, given the longevity of ships, the distances
involved, and the volatility of highly developed capitalist culture. 
Higher tech level mech/elec/etc. shops should be able to figure out how
to fix or to work around a lower tech component. 

- --Glenn

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:54:51 +1000
From: "Alan Bradley" <alanb@elf.brisnet.org.au>
Subject: Re: Foundation of the Traveller News Service

> From: Keith Johnson 
> Heck, is the TNS related to the Traveller's Aid Society, and when was TAS
> founded?  TAS is referenced my copy of Milieu 0, but there are no dates
> involved.

According to the old TNS column in JTAS, the TNS is a service provided by
the TAS.

I'm not aware of any dates if they're not in Milieu 0.

If the TAS was around in the early days of the Imperium, I guess we could
say the TNS was around then too, although that doesn't necessarily follow.

Alan Bradley
alanb@elf.brisnet.org.au

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 05:11:21 -0300
From: Michel Vaillancourt <misha@empire.atlantic-online.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: streamlining

At 02:43 PM 02/09/1999 +1000, you wrote:
>> Anthony Jacson wrote:
>> >We can predict weather an hour ahead plenty accurately.
>> 
>> 
>> You can't have spent any time in England then!
>> 
>
>Or Melbourne, Australia :^)
>
>-- The Roc
>
        Or Halifax, Canada.

        =)

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 09:47:18 +0100
From: Phil Kitching <postmark.design@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Foundation of the Traveller News Service

At 16:54 02/09/1999 +1000, "Alan Bradley" <alanb@elf.brisnet.org.au> wrote:
>> From: Keith Johnson 
>> Heck, is the TNS related to the Traveller's Aid Society, and when was TAS
>> founded?  TAS is referenced my copy of Milieu 0, but there are no dates
>> involved.
>
>According to the old TNS column in JTAS, the TNS is a service provided by
>the TAS.
>
>I'm not aware of any dates if they're not in Milieu 0.
>
>If the TAS was around in the early days of the Imperium, I guess we could
>say the TNS was around then too, although that doesn't necessarily follow.

IIRC

TAS was formed in about Y400 - I'm sure it is not available in the M0 period.

OTH

Marc's T4.1 draft gives TAS membership as a possible benefit (and does not
mention other organisations). I think that T4.1 is set around Y200.

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 02:03:20 -0900
From: Peter Newman <pnewman@gci.net>
Subject: Re: Honor Harrington books 

 Chris Thompson <u12ct@abdn.ac.uk> wrote

> Where can I find more than this?

On Baen's site once they put it up.

I thought I was being clear when I
"said chapter 1 is up .... Baen will
probably post a new chapter every few weeks
or so."

> and why does it not have a link on
> www.baen.com?

Because Baen has not added one yet.
That is their decision, don't blame me.

This chapter has only been up for 2-3 days
AFAIK.  Baen's website is not updated as
often as we might like.  I am just glad to 
see the sample chapters at all.


> > A draft copy of Chapter 1 of the new, NYR
> > Honor Harrington hardcover, Ashes of Honor
> > is available from her publisher, Baen, at
> > the URL below.  Baen will probably post a
> > new chapter every few weeks or so until the
> > book is releases (no I don't know when that will
> > be).

> > http://www.baen.com/chapters/Ashes/0671578xxx__1.htm

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:59:25 +1000
From: "Alan Bradley" <alanb@elf.brisnet.org.au>
Subject: Re: tank:antitank arms race

> From: j_pete@bellsouth.net (Pete)
> "Don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy,
and the
>  lash."                                              -Winston Churchill

I was just thinking about this quote, and up it pops!

There's a lot of 'Nelsonian' naval SF out there, isn't there?  I can't
quite see a Honor Harrington book with this title, though.
Alan Bradley
alanb@elf.brisnet.org.au

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 06:17:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: Cynthia Higginbotham <cyhiggin@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: GT Armor - Cheaper Merchants, Faster Combat Craft

> 
> >Dragon Ball Z...my 6 year old nephew got me hooked this summer. <g>
> :-( The German edition of DB just started on the TV this week...
> ...they took out all the funny dirty old man bits of muten roshis and
> the characters have unbearable childish voices. I absolutely hate dubs and
> German TV!

They didn't! Argghh!  At least the videotapes of DB that I picked
up have those in (funny as hell), and the voices seem to be the same
ones used for the first few seasons of the American DBZ dubs. I.e.,
good.  

Does anyone else think the 3rd season DBZ voices (American dub)
really suck?  I got one of the videos, and decided to wait for
the rest to come out on Cartoon Network, as I was so offended by
the changes I refuse to pay for anymore videos.

				--Cynthia

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:36:03 -0400
From: "Sword Worlder" <swordworlder@clinic.net>
Subject: Re: Lost Keith Supplements "refund"

> And for the few folks who have written asking for refunds - no can do. The
> money is already spent - either on paying Marc and Andrew or on material.
> You'll get your copies and what you do with 'em is up to you. Before I get
> flamed off-line again from persons who will remain nameless renewed with
> threats of lawsuits to shut down 'Cargonaut Press' and take all its assets
[snippage]

I am willing to make a "refund" for someone who got in on the full meal
deal.  If you are no longer interested in waiting for your order, let me
know and we'll make arrangements to swap my name for yours on the waiting
list.  I'll reimburse full price ($100) for one set.  Let me know ;-)

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:45:52 -0400
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com>
Subject: Re: Some From The Vaults 

> Just another reason I hate AOL.

>I love AOL, they send me free drink coasters every week. ;)


I'd like them even more if you could actually re-burn those 'coasters'.  :)
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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 09:41:40 -0400
From: Ian Ferguson <ian@vax2.concordia.ca>
Subject: OT... re: tank:antitank arms race

Walter Smith writes:
>It opens when a US Army tank commander on maneuver in Germany 
>finds a Jagdpanther, 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>I did, of course, intend to write "Jagdpanzer" here and elsewhere. 

	The Jagdpanzer V was known as the Jagdpanther, it had a
	long, sloped bow and was armed with the famous 88 mm gun.

Peez

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 10:06:11 -0400
From: Juliean Galak <jg42@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Foundation of the Traveller News Service

At 09:47 AM 9/2/99 +0100, you wrote:
> >If the TAS was around in the early days of the Imperium, I guess we could
> >say the TNS was around then too, although that doesn't necessarily follow.

According to one source I remember reading (can't recall where, possibly 
one of the GT books, or maybe M0) TNS originally started out as a forum for 
members of TAS to write about their experiences while traveling errr... 
Travelling.  Since the Travellers were often the first to get back with the 
news (and often made the news to begin with), the service became popular 
with non-TAS readers.  Eventually it evolved into a dedicated news service, 
although it still occasionally takes amateur articles from TAS members.

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:20:23 -0500 ()
From: "Joseph R. Dietrich" <yikes@evansville.net>
Subject: Re: GT Armor - Cheaper Merchants, Faster Combat Craft

>I'm not gay but I am sure getting tired of the xenophobic attitude in the
>U.S. to things that aren't supported by the 'main' portion of the
>population.

Alright, no talk of our sexuality on this Traveller list. You know it's one
of the seven deadly Traveller sins (among near-c rocks, piracy, jump
physics, etc.).

Although I think I'm going to open every letter I write from now on with
"I'm not gay but ..." (Sorry Jory, I'm not picking on you, it just struck
me as a funny thing to write ;-)).

ObTrav: Uhm. What if I write "Traveller" again? Will that work?

Ciao,

Joseph R. Dietrich
yikes@evansville.net

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:14:03 -0700
From: "Mike Linsenmayer" <mlinsenmayer@symantec.com>
Subject: New Picture

Hey again... The lurker posts once more.

I finally finished my water landing pic. The one I posted earlier was a ... well
not finished... :)
any way  here is the link if any one is interested.... I am also finishing up a
series of Starport pics, If I can just find time to finish my 400 ton trader....
sigh.  ;)

http://www.bigbailey.com/vspace/art/picture-c.htm

Thanks All

Keep on Travellen
Mike Linsenmayer

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:15:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Terry Mixon <tlmixon@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Inter species relationships (was: GT Armor - Cheaper Merchants, Faster Combat Craft)

- --- "Joseph R. Dietrich" <yikes@evansville.net> wrote:

> >I'm not gay but I am sure getting tired of the xenophobic attitude
> >in the
> >U.S. to things that aren't supported by the 'main' portion of the
> >population.
> 
> Alright, no talk of our sexuality on this Traveller list. You know
> it's one
> of the seven deadly Traveller sins (among near-c rocks, piracy, jump
> physics, etc.).
> 
> ObTrav: Uhm. What if I write "Traveller" again? Will that work?

Well, you could make some comment on the overall view of accepted 
practices in the Imperium. Say, what would the overall view of 
interspecies relationships? A guy and his Vargr ... well, we won't 
use what I suspect might be the approriate noun. <g> And if there 
are these relationships, does it make a better target for the 
objecting and thus same sex relations become more acceptable?

If this is truely on the don't discuss list, please ignore.

Terry
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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 12:18:52 -0300
From: Michel Vaillancourt <misha@empire.atlantic-online.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: New Picture

At 08:14 AM 02/09/1999 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
>Hey again... The lurker posts once more.
>
>I finally finished my water landing pic. The one I posted earlier was a ...
well
>not finished... :)
>any way  here is the link if any one is interested.... I am also finishing up a
>series of Starport pics, If I can just find time to finish my 400 ton
trader....
>sigh.  ;)
>
>http://www.bigbailey.com/vspace/art/picture-c.htm
>
>Thanks All
>
>Keep on Travellen
>Mike Linsenmayer

        Hi, Mike!
        Niiiiiice work.  I like it alot...  particularly the background
detail with the giant mushrooms and such.  Keep up the good work!
       
        --Michel

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